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©luca
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Tokina AT-X 10-17/3.5-4.5 Fisheye
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years and variants |
elements-groups |
f.stop |
angle of view, h,v,diag |
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zoom |
2006 |
10-8 |
3.5-4.5
/22 |
180?
still under research* |
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image circle |
close focus |
filters |
dimensions (max diameter, lenght, weight) |
No Parallax Point (from bajonet) |
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0,14m |
no |
71.5x70
350g |
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Canon
EF-s and Nikon G mount avaliable
credits:
tokina official website |
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| The first fisheye zoom ever, was the Pentax one,
the 10-28mm, and at the time it was realy
high priced and considered completely useless.
In this apsc-digital era, fisheye were close to disappear... all
the 15-16mm lenses become very distorting wide lenses, no 180degrees
over diagonal. After Nikon 10.5mm and Olympus
8mm 3.5, Pentax renewed his concept with the 10-17mm,
first product of Tokina-Hoya and Pentax cooperation. Few months
after Pentax announcement here it is the Tokina AT-X107dx.
It spots a SD lens and an internal focus system, as well as a new
coating named waterproof, that grants to let you easyly wipe off
any fingerprint or spot from lens surface. |

photo courtesy of AGNOS,
happy new owner of the Tokina fisheye zoom.
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| In practice this kind of zoom offers the possibility to have a native
mount fullframe fisheye for Canon cameras, and I hope soon for Sony
Alpha too. Till now only Nikkor 10.5mm could be used, with the right
adapter. |
Panorama use:
Well, it covers 2 classes of lenses used for panorama: the fullframe
fisheye, that means 6shots plus zenit and nadir, tot of 8 shots
for a full spherical, and the use of the classic film fullframe
fisheye (the 16mm) on apsc sensors, that means a very high quality
and easy stitching multirow pano, made of 18 pictures, 2rows of
8, +/-30 degrees, +zenit and nadir (not always needed).
It could cover another 2, ever more interesting, if hacked!! |
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Hacks:
If we can put this lens on a fullframe digital camera, and if we
saw off the fixed light shade, theorically we could have a lens
that's very similar in use to the 8mm on apsc cameras, as is for
the 10.5 nikkor, with
a great advantage of zooming... so with the same lens it would be
possible to cover both circular and fullframe fisheye techniques.
my friend Michel Thoby* is attempting to discover if it is worth
doing it.
[...to be continued...] |
Links:
official
website,
adapters page
one of the first panorama
with this lens: by michael stoss
confront
with sigma 8mm f4
Testing
Tokina by Flemming V.Larsen
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An extensive panoramic survey about this lens from the great
michel thoby
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| Tokina 107 AT-X blog... |
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Photokina 2006:
Michael Stoss with a rapid hand movement subtracts one of the preview
lenses from a Photokina stand, and before someone realizes what was
happening he makes a pano. |
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15 dicembre 2006
I start asking here and there if some shop lets me try the lens,
or have some preorder of it.
All tries in NE Italy have the same reply: Nobody knows anything
about a fisheye zoom, and they wouldn't order a thing like that
to stock, neither if 10 photographers would enter that door asking
for it. Some week later I speak about it with Agnos, briefly, but
we are buisy with other panorama-related things. |
13 gennaio 2007.
I speak with Agnos again about the lens
and possibilities, and start sketching a new special ring-head, for
this promising allaround panozoom. He begins mobilizing resellers
and importers he knows |
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15 Janvier 2007
I'm somehow sintonized with Michel, we usually develop ideas in
parallel way, however he is always one step ahead, and begins one
of his usual scientific and deep analysis to the problem.
here,
the thing begins!! |
My doubts and questions are:
0: is the quality worth? comparable with 10.5 Nikkor? Will its circle
cover more than 180 degrees?
1: Is Canon EF version an EFS mount with longer protuding back lens
protection? if yes, is the protuding thing removable?
2: Would the rear element hit the 5D mirror? Don't think so, but...
3: in case, is the Nikon version equipped with an internal mechanical
aperture control? If yes, it would be possible to adapt it to manual
control the iris.
But if the 1: results to be that it is a normal EF mount... we would
have a real Canon mount 10mm fish, a panozoom capable of autofocusing
(useless) and capable of effectively control the lens iris! |
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18 gennaio 2007:
I cannot measure the lens, I cannot cross my lasers nor my eyes
to measure the NPP of it, but I draw all kinds of head ipothesys.
It is a personal thing.
I owned the Pentax 17-28mm since it was the only fisheyezoom ever,
and was pointed out to be an useless lens, no more than a circus
phenomenon. I'll dedicate him a section in my UnUseful Lenses pages,
forthcoming...
Agnos can't retrive that piece of grinded coke bottles in Italy.
So he opens ebay...
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25 gennaio 2007:
I got from Agnos an empy message, with a picture only. It is the
picture you can see above in this page.
One pecture is1.000 words. A fisheye picture is 1.001. |
1er février 2007 Michel
Shaved it!!!
Michel did the very first
pano at 10mm with a 5D. First pano in the world with a shaved
10-17
Michel!!! you are great!!! |
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